Transform Your Mind to Transform Your Life with Sanal Bhanu Rhajan

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[00:00:55] Alright, we'd like to welcome you back to another episode of the Beyond I Do podcast. We have with us our special guest, Mr. Sunal Banu Rajan. He is a spiritual teacher, international speaker, revolutionary thought leader, and founder of Spiritual Logic.

[00:01:18] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. We are so thankful to have you. I will say since our interview, we have been thinking back to the images that we could see from the window. Yeah, yeah. And we've been very jealous. Yep. Look at that. Oh yeah.

[00:01:39] Look at that. That's what we were looking forward to that. We're old and so. You guys need to, you know, life is short, need to do the things that you want to do. Say that again for him please.

[00:01:59] You know, I think he already knows that some part of him is just simply catching up to it. That's all. Thank you. Thank you. Because all parts of me are waiting patiently. We're waiting patiently, all of me.

[00:02:16] The first question I need to ask you is make sure if we decide to come to Thailand, we got somewhere to lay our heads. Of course. Hey, where you living? We can sleep outside. I'm fine with that. This is like. Go ahead. Please tell me. No, no, no.

[00:02:38] No, I'm saying like this is as good as it gets at this point because you got every little piece there, you know, safety piece, you know, the freedom piece, you know, the no violence piece. Right. Right.

[00:02:56] And just overall, like non-certainties and the roads are not not thickly overcrowded or something. Right. It's nice. And of course, you know, you get like two months of summer, but then again, you know, it's just two or three months. Right. And you can you have AC and stuff.

[00:03:20] It's just during the day. And definitely something there, something magical in the air.

[00:03:30] And it's funny that you say that because when we talked to after we met with you and we've talked about you since we feel that we feel there's a calm and there's a piece that just trans ends the internet and everything.

[00:03:46] So, which if you would tell us a little bit about what you do. And then maybe we can learn how to bring some of that to us. We are. So we get to that point.

[00:04:02] So I grew up in India, raised in a family who had like strong spiritual foundation. So I started doing one for us and in doing prayers and stuff like when I was really young. I don't know how young I was probably four or five should be the case.

[00:04:22] And we traveled a lot. We traveled a lot to spiritual destination. So there was a lot of vacations happening. It's just like not the kind of vacations that usually people would be taking. So it had like a complete purpose.

[00:04:36] And the purpose was never leisure in how it was to go to a spiritual place and pray. That was the purpose. So you're always going to make big travels, but we would not be sightseeing around after we reached the place.

[00:04:54] So we had like a very specific spot we're going to invest most of our time in. How did you think about that as a child? I didn't feel much about it because I kind of just followed what they did.

[00:05:08] It's not like I can just kind of do the stuff by myself and kind of it's not that age where you can seek independence and freedom by your own or something.

[00:05:19] Kind of like the safety and like having your familiar people around and do what they do or something like that. I didn't like to go out of the way. So I just kind of did what they did.

[00:05:34] And there were moments in these kind of spiritual temples and stuff where I would kind of sit, not the peak moments where I'm standing in front of the idol or something. Not like that. But when I'm just kind of maybe we're going to everything is kind of finished.

[00:05:51] We are winding down. We're going to go back to our place where we are staying, you know, before we come back again. Just like there's specific times in the inside. So I started noticing like I started feeling really whole and connected.

[00:06:12] Like like a sense of satisfaction that for which I didn't have particular reasons, logical reasons why. And that's how I just first started noticing this sort of meditation kind of space, I would say. You know, but without really any over ideas about it.

[00:06:40] But it's kind of like these kind of places that a lot of people coming there have a having a certain they're doing a lot of austerities and practices and everything. So you can tap into it.

[00:06:52] That's I think that's the purpose why we go to these kind of places anyway, you know, where people come with a certain mindset, a certain energy. And we can have been to that.

[00:07:03] So then they've run I became an adult and I just started doing meditation on my own, just kind of learned the ropes of it. And I just kind of realized, OK, this is just the same stuff I used to feel way back then.

[00:07:19] So it's not really so it was more like a recognition. Oh, so this is what it's what the meditation is about. So I kind of like I never did it formally, but I just kind of realized that connected with the odds, so to speak.

[00:07:37] Right. And then I traveled to Himalayas and I met a non dual masters who are practicing teaching this path of non duality. I came back from there to inspiration as far as my career goes, that this is what I want to do.

[00:07:55] But I didn't I was not really so fond of it because I didn't find it so practical or applicable per se. You know, kind of like not so connected to the way real life or the practical life that's kind of happening in here.

[00:08:14] So it's like, yeah, everything is one. We are all one. And how do we go from there? You know, this kind of stuff. I need more stuff that I can make use of, utilize in the moment.

[00:08:26] I kind of was like, OK, this all this kind of stuff that's out there is kind of really outdated in one sense because it's just closed systems. People who created the system, they are no more here anymore and nobody really did anything on top of it.

[00:08:39] So it's just like operating systems that are not really updated at this point. So we need an updated operating system that we can plug in and which is more functional and fitting to the environment in which we are living right now.

[00:08:53] So that was kind of like the ideology behind the whole thing. So then I started creating the stuff. So there were certain things I criteria that I think you need on salvation,

[00:09:03] like the fact that most of the spiritual practices are occurs. You do do that exactly practice and a lot. Right. And that occurs time. And we all have like, you know, time is kind of a tricky thing at this point.

[00:09:18] Right. People people have all sort of engagements happening. Plus on top of that, the grant for money that takes time. So on top of all of that, so that's why people like Osho, they said meditation is the biggest luxury for people like who have like

[00:09:38] time in their hands. They have their survival things met, their needs met, their wants met and they are like in a place where oh, you know what? I realize even if I get what I want, I'm not going to be happy.

[00:09:53] But you need to be in a certain place in order to reach there. Right. You have to have this stuff and realize this.

[00:10:01] So, you know, when people would interview or so they would ask like why are you seem to have a reputation that you're a rich man's screw?

[00:10:08] And why is that? And then he'll be like, yeah, you know, it's kind of easy with them because they already know, you know, doesn't work. I don't have to convince them. So they're already on page with me.

[00:10:20] And with the poor people, you know, it's just difficult because they are not going to believe me. Right. They're going to still believe like if they get what they want, finally get that thing, that other thing and I'm going to be happy.

[00:10:31] He doesn't know he doesn't know me. So you can put up all these ideas anyway. I have to tell you, I have to tell you that with kids, I teach teenagers and so they're you know, they can't wait until they're an adult and they can't.

[00:10:49] I can't wait until I'm out of school and I'm an adult. And it's because they don't realize that once you crossed over into adulthood, the level of responsibility and everything increases. Meanwhile, I'm thinking I wish I could switch places with you all.

[00:11:05] And then the first step, it was like, OK, you know, growing up in the States, it was like, OK, all right. I can't wait to go play across the street. All right. Now I'm playing across the street. Now I can't wait to leave the neighborhood.

[00:11:17] Now I can't wait to get a bicycle and leave the neighborhood. Now I can't wait to drive. Once I started driving, now I can't wait to go to work. Step after step after step. And then it's like, exactly. And then it's like, well, what's next? Right. What's next?

[00:11:32] And once I started working in my career, my job, it's like, well, OK, now I've achieved this amount of success in my work field. But where is the happiness? And then now I'm looking at it like, you know what?

[00:11:46] Now I'm looking back at life like time was the key factor that I missed out on. Right. And how we choose to spend our time, because that's going to show up in our life later on in a different way.

[00:12:01] As far as the things that we have in our life. The having part of life. So what do you do? What do you tell someone who is...

[00:12:13] And I think that's part of the crossroads where we are now is that we're realizing the importance of time, the value of time. But we also understand that we have to eat. And so it's like this vicious cycle.

[00:12:30] So how do you get to a place of that peace and that comfort? Still knowing that you still want something that's just out of reach. I mean, hell, I see it. You live where he lives. He's walking beaches and stuff and shirts full of him and shorts.

[00:12:51] And he says, you live there. That's the key right there. Well, let's go. I was going to say something, but I kind of lost the track because I didn't get it. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, that's okay. That is okay. We create with what comes up.

[00:13:18] So it's just like the thing is you never get to know whether the choice is right or wrong. You're right. Right. You get you never get to know. It's like Steve Jobs saying you cannot connect the dots looking forward. You only connect them looking backwards.

[00:13:39] And you just have to trust that the dots will connect in the future because there is no guarantees in life. Yeah, the dots are going to connect and you're going to see, oh, yeah, now I see everything was connected. No, there's no guarantees.

[00:13:55] Sometimes you may never get to know. Right. And you just have to trust the dots will connect. So you just have to have the attitude that I create with what comes up. You see, that's the thing because you never get to know. You never get to know.

[00:14:13] So then you'll be in an arrest. You'll be in a paralysis. I call it a paralysis of analysis. Yes. I completely relate to that. I don't like the unknown. And I'm familiar. Right.

[00:14:33] I want to try and think of any problem that could happen and have a plan in place. And that ends up being I end up being stagnant because you cannot in any way predict every single thing that could happen and create a plan for it.

[00:14:49] So I can relate. No, no, no, the thing is more like so to speak is more of how it's a course correction.

[00:15:01] The nature of its course correction and constant adjust, you know, constant adjustments because we are we we are dealing with something that is complex and dynamic and emergent in nature. The life situations emerge and interdependencies and interconnected factors can be maybe we know it.

[00:15:22] Maybe we don't know it. Still, we are working with emerging scenarios. So when we are working with something like this, we cannot have it's kind of like you going through that under under the under a small bridge how the board steers man steers the board.

[00:15:38] So you need to constantly make that course correction. You cannot just make one move and I'm going to just kind of wait and just see that goes and oh, oh, and I came and hit the wall now. Right.

[00:15:54] You got to constantly make a small adjustment and see that this meant that you may how easy is that really taking you closer to where you want to go in relation, you know, in relation to that. You know, it's always taking you further away from it.

[00:16:10] And you make further adjustments if it's taking further away so that and then you make still your assets and see. So when you always need to have an outcome in the mind, otherwise you cannot make the course correction. Right. And that's the thing.

[00:16:27] The outcome is it's still your desired outcome. You just may have exactly route. You need to be exactly you need to first have like an absolute clarity on what is it that I want.

[00:16:40] That's the key thing. What is it that I want, and how would I be as a person when I have that? Yes. Right. That's the key piece because you need to connect to that energy. Yeah. It's not about who you would be.

[00:16:56] It's about how you be how is always about energy, feeling the state that you are in. You know, so how would I be as a person when I have this outcome realized? So you need to have an absolute clarity on that.

[00:17:10] Now, the third element is what does it really mean being that person? Being this person and moving forward in life. What does it really mean to me? You know, so that's connecting to the value. So you have three things aligned.

[00:17:28] The outcome, the state, the energy and the third thing, the value. So once you have a clarity on these three things and it's aligned, it's congruent. Now you get to move through like a laser. Otherwise, your energy is all scattered. Right.

[00:17:47] You know, like a five-volt light bulb, it's just scattered and you don't get to achieve much with it. But a 2.7 volt laser is enough to just kind of send the laser beam to the moon and come back.

[00:18:01] So once you have these three things aligned, then you have congruence and alignment in your life. Then that means you can achieve a lot of things without having to spend a lot of energy. It's about effective use of the energy that you have.

[00:18:19] So you want to have congruence in order to achieve that, you know. With the congruence with those three things in line, how do I get to that place? How do I get there and how do I stay there at least most of the time?

[00:18:36] So for example, this is like first of all, having clarity. Like for example, outcome. Outcome is just about having a clarity in the mind. Right. It has nothing to do with anything else. The thing is, once you have an outcome clear in your mind or in your brain,

[00:18:54] what happens is that there is a system in place in the brain called a particular activation system. RIS in short we can call it. So this system is there to spot opportunities so that you can realize the outcome that you have set in your mind.

[00:19:10] But literally the brain cannot do that if you don't give it an outcome. Okay. Right. So giving the outcome allows the brain to start sporting opportunities in the environment and sit between different scenarios that you find yourself in that can help you realize those outcomes.

[00:19:29] So that's why having an outcome focus is very important when it comes to anything that you're dealing with in any area of your life. Just having like what is it that I really want this thing? Right. And then the second is about connecting to that state.

[00:19:46] Connecting to that state is about being inspired. Like that's the fuel. That's the fuel that's going to keep you moving forward. You know, and you need to ask a question like, okay, how would I be as a person once I have this with me?

[00:20:01] Once I have this outcome realized, how would I be as a person? And if that outcome is really a genuine thing that you want, you probably can feel some sort of an activation within you. It's called synesthesia because it aligns with your values.

[00:20:17] So you can aesthetically can feel it inside like some part of you just coming alive, getting excited, getting inspired, getting motivated. And then you're going to ask yourself the question, how can I grow and expand this feeling?

[00:20:33] You're not going to just let that feeling be like, oh yeah, that's a nice feeling. No, it's about how can I really. So you're literally asking yourself, you know, what is it that I can do within my power to grow and expand the feeling?

[00:20:47] That's a very different sort of attitude and a mindset you're bringing to the table. So you're literally asking that so your brain is going to get all wrapped up. You're also connected to the feeling and actively every day you're doing something to make that feeling grow.

[00:21:04] You're not discounting it. You're not getting stuck into the, oh, let me just go and do all the stuff that's going to get me all those things that I want to have. No, you're not simply doing that. You're also connecting, getting connected to the feeling part of it.

[00:21:17] That's the process, the being, doing, having, being, doing, having. It's the process and the process cannot get stuck. So when it gets stuck, it's stagnated. So usually the Western burnout cycle is people go into doing and having and doing and having and doing and having.

[00:21:34] And then they do more to sustain what they have. But what they have, if nobody would fit anymore in their life.

[00:21:42] So at that point it becomes a matter of letting go of what you have so that you can be in a different way and create new things and do different things and create better things that's going to fit better.

[00:21:56] But that's the thing for a dog to be good at. So if I'm understanding you correctly, it's like growing up in the Western culture. We've been marketed for our entire lives that you can get this certain thing and you'll be happy.

[00:22:15] You have this certain job or this certain career. You're happy. You have a home, you have a car. You have that, you're going to be happy. Or they are going to tell you, you just come and tell to the parents or the teacher like, oh, I messed up.

[00:22:30] I did a mistake. And then they're going to be asking you like, what are you going to do about it? It's about the focus. If you went to the doing part or what you must have part. Right. Yes. How do you want to be? That's not really.

[00:22:46] We even have TV shows called the Have and Have Nots. You have or you don't have. But I think the general concept is like, okay, once you have it and we've learned this, you work hard and then you get the thing that you desire.

[00:23:02] And once you have it, it's like, okay, well, I got it. Now I'm used to it. So after that, I need something next now. Yeah, or something next or maybe what you have. It's not even like sustainable. Right. You now go out to do more. Right.

[00:23:21] And I keep and you know what is I've heard it over and over from different so I know this is what I needed to hear. But that being peace, that being peace is what has been missing.

[00:23:36] And having to focus on that is difficult from time to time when you have the have and the do. But if they have. You guys have several things at this point. Right. So many things, so many spheres that you have done so many things to have. Right.

[00:23:56] And I think that's what you need to focus on. Right. So many things, so many spheres that you have done so many things to have them and now it's there. And now there is varying levels of attachment to these things that you have.

[00:24:12] But you cannot be in a different way because the thing is if you get stuck in the have part like oh no, no, no. I know what I have and I cannot go for what I have and finish everything. And you get stuck.

[00:24:26] Now you cannot be in any different way because you got stuck with all that. Right. You can, the process has to continue so that stagnation doesn't occur. This is process. It's a process of renewal. The being, doing.

[00:24:43] And so being will kind of bring all that inspiration and everything to move you in the direction of doing and all that willingness and determination and everything that comes with it.

[00:24:55] And then you have that doing energy and the sustaining energy and you're going, doing a lot of stuff. And then you have something happen at some point like you have something. Right. Right.

[00:25:08] So when you talk about the outcome, the desired outcome, there again because of the society that we live in, a lot of times that desired outcome is something material. Yeah. But it seems like there's so much more to what you're saying.

[00:25:28] So when you talk about outcome, what is it that you're talking about? What are you describing when it's outcome? No, outcome can be something in the world itself. But the point is, is it aligned with your values? Okay. Right.

[00:25:46] You see, is it aligned with your values or is it coming from a desperation, from a needliness, from some sort of a fear, from some sort of insecurity? Okay.

[00:25:54] You're low. I want this. I want this. Why do you want this? Because I'm afraid so and so it's going to happen. Right. In that sense, it's not something that you come alive in, like not something that inspires you. It's just like coming out of a different place.

[00:26:10] So the outcome, that's why I'm saying, is about connecting to that energy. So if you cannot connect to that energy, then you know there's something wrong with it. You need to maybe react that the outcome. Is that what I really want?

[00:26:24] I really question it. Because if it is really what you want, then you're going to have some sort of a synesthesia, a kinesthetic feeling happening right in that moment. You're going to come alive to the moment in some particular way when you're thinking, imagining having realized that outcome.

[00:26:40] It's going to give you some thought. If you're not having that, then you can maybe go back and look at the outcome again. Like, is that what I really want? What I truly want? You know, and sit with it a little bit more time.

[00:26:53] So we just had this conversation with one of our children and he's stuck in the, I will feel this way when I have this. So that's the fact. Right. And I keep telling him, no, you have to have the feelings first.

[00:27:13] Even in telling him that, though, I get frustrated from time to time and that feeling is hard. It's hard to pull that up when everything outside of me doesn't match that.

[00:27:26] So what are some things that we can do in those times when I want to feel good, but everything around me seems to work against me? The thing is you need to understand why does he really want that the values that is connected to that.

[00:27:42] Don't be if you kind of try to appeal to him from your values and you're trying to push your values to him, it's not going to work. You need to be able to step into his values first. You know, so then he feels heard. He feels understood.

[00:28:00] Then he would be willing to see, OK, you know, seems she understands me. So she gets me. So yeah, maybe I can just, you know, seems like she's totally on base. So she totally get me. So I think I can consider this.

[00:28:16] But if you don't really get him, right? She don't really get me. She doesn't understand why is this important to me. She's like all in her mind, like thinking, well, that's what's important or something like that.

[00:28:29] So you kind of clashing so you kind of have to get in phase. It has to be a cooperation, you know, when two people work together thing happen fast. Right. One person is kind of forcing on that other person is kind of like resisting or something.

[00:28:43] You know, you kind of need to tell him, you know, I'm on page with you, you know, let's just work together on it. You know, I really want to get you. So how would you really be? What do I say to myself when the feelings are not there?

[00:29:07] But I know, you know, like that frustration. Yeah. And also the thing is, there is a lot of lot of places that you can you can kind of maneuver or you can get put your feet in and can influence the cycle. The thing is, everything is connected.

[00:29:28] The physiology is connected. The state is connected. The perception, the whole thing is connected. So you can change any sort of thing. A simple stuff. You can even change the physiology by just simply unclenching the jaw, you know, as simple as that.

[00:29:44] Because usually by the time that frustration and everything kicks in, you're going to you can feel probably. Yeah, yeah. That's me on most days by about three p.m.

[00:30:02] So you can just kind of unclench the jaw like instead of like do this, you know, as soon as you do that, like there's a sudden shift because the vagus nerves get activated. The vagus nerve is responsible for sending oxygen to all the organs within the body.

[00:30:19] You know, so as soon as you activate the vagus nerves, you suddenly feel a need to take more oxygen in your system because vagus nerves literally like start getting activated and sending oxygen. So then guess what?

[00:30:32] So there is a sudden shift in breathing that happens as a natural extension of you unclenching the jaw, you know, kind of feels even suffocating if you're not taking paper breathes. Right.

[00:30:45] Yeah. So the second thing you can do is to kind of relax the tongue, you know, the back of the tongue. That's not the under the back. Yeah, but once you unclench the facial response, so it immediately activates the parasympathetic nervous system.

[00:31:01] You know, so all of a sudden now you have your vagus, vagus active. So all of a sudden there is a shift of breathing and plus you can consciously just breathe like taking like a one is to two ratio of breathing.

[00:31:15] That's going to stimulate your brain stem. So this is all kind of neurological hacks, you know, easy manoeuvres that you can do in the moment. Sudden shift of states, physiology, everything happening, you know, right away. So you can just kind of do this all in an order.

[00:31:31] So first you unclench the jaw, then you relax the back of your tongue because it's a satiation response. There will be a complete diminishing of self-talk. Oh, internal. Yeah, I mean that. Yes, yes, yes.

[00:31:47] So you can just simply relax the back of the tongue like as much as possible. So and you can notice that immediately. It's kind of hard to kind of think a lot with that. So it's like so you can do the clench unclenching the tongue stuff.

[00:32:02] And then the third can be one is to two breathing. So that means if I'm taking like a three second inhale, like so that's like six seconds exhale. OK, basically inhale through the nose and exhale through the mouth.

[00:32:22] So I exhale through the mouth because the mouth exhaling through the mouth more of your brain gets activated because of the air that's felt through the lips. So that whole mind, body connect.

[00:32:38] Yeah, the brain because in the brain all these connections are there with kinesthetics and senses and stuff. So all of a sudden you can kind of feel the breath. Right. So it activates and also it makes you aware of the breath more.

[00:32:53] The exhale. If you're like exhaling through the nose, it's not so much aware. So it's a nice thing like a natural three second note, like a long inhale, just like a small one and just like a double.

[00:33:07] The point is you're literally changing the combination of the gas within the system because all all kind of sympathetic states, meaning frustration, panic, anxiety, all of these states. It is all related to more carbon dioxide built up within the system than oxygen.

[00:33:26] So as soon as you start, yeah, so it's a nice thing to do. So as soon as you take this breathing, you reverse the process. So that means more carbon dioxide is getting out of the system and you're taking in more oxygen.

[00:33:39] That's kind of like when people have panic attacks, they tell them to start breathing. Exactly. Because panic is exactly what? How do they breathe just before they are panicking? They're breathing like shallow breaths. Right. And then guess what?

[00:33:56] So a lot of carbon dioxide built up and all of restlessness comes with it. So more oxygen means more ground down. More carbon dioxide means you can go, you know, kind of that stuff.

[00:34:08] And that, you know, with meditation and things like that, you hear about the breathing and the breath work. But I've never understood the physiological part of all of that. These are the logical parts of it. These are the logical parts.

[00:34:25] It's actually working with like you as you breathe, you're activating the brain stem. And also there is something happening within the brain. Usually when we feel stress or fear, we get our, you know, all sort of physiological processes get amplified within the system.

[00:34:42] Because the amygdala get the message like, OK, you know, you can have a trigger probably something you see and then you get frustrated. Right. Something you see that you get stressed. Right. Something you see and you get that fear response.

[00:34:58] So what happens is once the message that kind of goes. So there is the thalamus. That's where it reaches us. It's kind of like a relay center in our brain.

[00:35:08] So the message, the sensory, whatever it is, we hear, see, whatever it is, it just goes through our eyes and reaches the thalamus. And then from the thalamus, the signal gets sent to the amygdala. So this is the tricky part.

[00:35:24] So that is a virtually immediate pathway, you know, in the brain to go to the amygdala. So when amygdala gets the amygdala, it's kind of like an emotional center, but it doesn't have, it doesn't store emotions.

[00:35:40] It just simply sends signal to the brain stem to amplify the physiological processes. OK. OK. So heartbeat, all sort of physical heartbeat goes up, cortisol level goes up. You know, you're breathing perspiration, you start getting sweaty in the bum.

[00:35:57] All that stuff happens. So what we want to do, because it doesn't just simply reach amygdala, it just reaches the central nucleus of the amygdala.

[00:36:09] And when the signal reaches the central nucleus of the amygdala from the thalamus, then it just sends the signal to the brain stem to amplify the physiological responses.

[00:36:20] You know, and then all this physiological responses get amplified and you go into some sort of a freeze response or something. And, you know, so literally you are not thinking properly, you're not making that decision properly, nothing, you kind of like, you know,

[00:36:36] and maybe even traumatized from the experience, even if you don't have much resources in your side. Yeah. But what we want to do is we want to kind of hijack or kind of reroute this pathway from it reaching the central nucleus of amygdala.

[00:36:53] Instead of doing that, we want it to reach the basal nucleus of the amygdala. The thing is, once the signal reaches the basal nucleus of the amygdala, it never sends the signal for amplifying physiological response to the brain stem.

[00:37:10] It's simply sent directly to the cortex, the prefrontal cortex, so that we start going into memory and similar scenario and we assess the current scenario and we make sensible decision making and all of that stuff.

[00:37:25] So a lot of blood start going to our thinking and analytical faculty of our part, the brain, instead of going to the... We are doing essentially with this process, you know, when you are literally doing the breathing, you're kind of like stimulating the brain stem.

[00:37:42] And then you can do something on top of it, like you can tap into your peripheral vision, you know, like pay attention to something that is in your vision. Let your eyes rest on that and then simply let your peripheral vision, your spacious awareness expand to the sides.

[00:37:59] You know, not imagining, just simply really seeing, sensing it around you. So in all directions, so to the side, to the top, to the bottom, below you, in front of you, in the back of you.

[00:38:14] So you expand as much. The thing is fear and stress, all of them kind of narrow down your focus. So you want to just expand it out. So as you're doing that, you are stimulating the prefrontal cortex and the brain stem at the same time.

[00:38:31] You are also dampening amygdala, which is responsible for this. So you have this like an amazing maneuver. So you only have to practice it like a few days, maybe two weeks or something. And by that time within your brain, a chain will have formed. Okay.

[00:38:52] And by that time, you only have to do the first thing in the chain. The rest will naturally just follow its course, just like driving a car, you know. Oh, that's amazing. That is amazing.

[00:39:04] You just have to unclench the jaw at that point. So everything kind of goes. And then everything. The breathing, you naturally will expand your awareness, your spacious awareness, your peripheral vision. You naturally will kind of breathe different and do all sorts of things. You relax your tongue.

[00:39:23] Everything will naturally happen because it's like, you know, it becomes and goes into our brain. It's called neural priming. So you're priming your neurons to respond in a very particular chain.

[00:39:37] Wow. So that'll cause me to change my face because I've dropped that jaw and it's like, all right, I'm getting the opposite. You will start to love it because you will notice that you just want to start breathing like that because it feels really good.

[00:39:54] Like, yeah, you can kind of feel the effect like right away as you unclench the jaw, relax the tongue and do the breathing. You're already kind of good in a very different place.

[00:40:05] And it's just kind of so funny how it's just kind of such it takes barely seconds to tap into through your physiology and change your state just like that.

[00:40:18] I was going to ask you, like, without being in a state of, you know, where things are revving up, would it be still beneficial to do those things just as a normal practice? Definitely. Definitely. Because this is only going to bring you more to kind of alpha level.

[00:40:41] Without you, it's kind of like a meditation technique. Right. Okay. With just kind of neurological hacks.

[00:40:51] We lined up to just simply present it as a technique, but we are literally tapping into the neurology of peace, of calmness, of being at relaxation because that's the many ways we are doing with the brain stem, with the parasympathetic nervous system, with the vagus nerve being activated.

[00:41:14] And all of this is kind of promotes well-being. And it's just kind of the way things are supposed to be if you are feeling good, you know, if you are having a good time. This is how things must be working at that point. Wow.

[00:41:33] So, man, you just unloaded a lot. I was thinking, you guys asked about the relationship. Yeah, I was thinking in my head like how are we going to turn this into a relationship?

[00:41:49] We're not. And that's where I was going. We're not because we kind of flip-flopped it and I love where we ended up. I want to wrap that up and then maybe we can for the less discuss it, we'll just flip it.

[00:42:04] But for listeners and for myself, for those of us who are feeling that pull, I'm here. I know that this is happening and it has to happen, but I want to be here. And I know that that's where I'm going to feel my best.

[00:42:27] What is it that like what tangible things do we do to start getting to that place where we want to be? No, the first tangible thing I would say is to always build in a certainty of your own competence in life.

[00:42:48] Because you're always going to be attached to the forms that you have created, you know, because you're like, oh, I don't know whether I can do it again. I don't know. That's the kind of thing. I don't know whether I can create a better thing.

[00:43:00] So then that's how people stay in abusive relationship with someone else who's choose me or some sort of insecurities. And they kind of just keep at it. They hold that one no matter how dysfunctional it is, then they can see it's not serving them in life.

[00:43:19] So they kind of stay with it. So that's the thing. So you just have to know whatever happens, I'm OK. Right. It is simple. It is. Oh, it's simple. And I create what comes up. So these two easily going together. I like it.

[00:43:42] Create what comes up. So anything can come up, but I create with it. That's the attitude I'm bringing. I'm like, oh my God, I hope things are going to happen like that.

[00:43:52] Otherwise, I just cannot handle it. Like, of course, you're not going to do very well if things don't go that way. That's essentially what you have just kind of been preparing yourself to be.

[00:44:07] If something goes wrong, you have prepared yourself to be terrified and completely like, you know, in some sort of like uncertainty and fear about being comfortable with uncertainty.

[00:44:23] Right. So that's what allows you like that's the key point when it comes to letting go of what you have so that you can be in a different way.

[00:44:31] The thing is, they are holding on to what they have. So they are stuck with the way they are being also. So Michael has to continue. So they have to let go of what they have if they feel the need.

[00:44:46] I want to be in a different way. You have to let go of that form you have created. Wow. Yeah, and that can only happen if you're comfortable with uncertainty.

[00:44:58] Right. And you can only be comfortable with uncertainty if you have a good enough certainty in your own capacities in creating good things with what comes up. Wow. Right. Up here. Yeah.

[00:45:18] It all starts up here. So what are you bringing to the world? Are you bringing in, oh me, the poor me. I cannot handle anything me or me, the one who can handle, I can create with what comes up. And whatever happens I'm okay.

[00:45:35] I create good things with what comes up and I love doing that. You see, that's what the story you're bringing up. It's about what you're bringing to the world. That matters. So some people bring in a lot of victims with a lot of powerlessness to the world.

[00:45:51] Then you're going to have to create with that. Right. And definitely as the victim, you're not creating. You're reacting. No, you're like the world is bearing itself upon me and I cannot handle it too much. Right. So of course the thing is there is always this happening.

[00:46:16] The world is always going to be bearing itself upon you and you are going to bear yourself upon the world. The whole point of mastery over yourself is that your ability to bear yourself upon the world is more than the world's ability to bear itself upon you. Right.

[00:46:34] So that's essentially controlling your destiny, controlling your world. I wouldn't say that you being in your power to choose. Because control is an illusion. We don't really have control in a complex system. In any kind of real complexity and dynamic system, control becomes like the most.

[00:46:56] But what we have effectively is varied levels of power and influence over that. Power is your ability to make a difference. Don't mistake me. I'm not speaking about some power trip. Speaking about your ability to make a difference in anything, that's you having power with it.

[00:47:15] You have to forgive my western terminology because I know right now. Control, usually when people speak about control, it has to do with having very specific outcome achieved. Okay. That's true.

[00:47:32] And also when I was speaking about outcome, it is so important for you to realize the value that you are getting from why is it important for you being that person.

[00:47:44] However you would be as a person. Maybe it's a free, I would be the most free self of mine, the most confident of me. And then, okay, what is really important about being this confident me and moving forward in life? What does that really mean?

[00:47:59] So when you connect to that value, when you connect to that feeling, that also frees you up to realize that value in a variety of different ways in the world.

[00:48:08] Rather than stuck with one outcome that is probably let's just say you made an impossible outcome in your head or something. Then you don't want to be stuck with it.

[00:48:16] Like let's just say if it is about love, then there is varieties of ways I can realize that love in the world. As opposed to, oh I just want this but I don't connect to that love part of it. It's about love actually.

[00:48:34] Then I'm like stuck with that. I'm like always going to do, I'm thinking of doing whatever it takes to just get to there. So having that but I'm kind of disconnected from the aspect of okay it's about love really. It's not really about the outcome even.

[00:48:48] So that's what it's really about. So once you have that bigger perspective, it allows you to see even if the outcome, you might even change the outcome once you're really connected to your values.

[00:49:02] Right. That's an important thing too is that change and that shift and being able to accept it and go with it. That's the response that I, once I get fixated on something, I have to remind myself that I can change my mind and it's okay.

[00:49:22] And also we get stuck and attached to our values too. We form these values. We form values. It's not there from as we are at birth or something.

[00:49:33] So we form these values by doing some things and doing things and we at one point these values are really formed. And once it's formed, we get identified with it.

[00:49:44] We get attached to it, you know, but maybe the environment has changed and that value is not a perfect fit for your life anymore even. But you're still kind of attached to it. So because of it, you're kind of struggling.

[00:49:57] So then it's about letting go the attachment to that value also. But values are also things that you have, you know, something in that terms. Right.

[00:50:07] There are also things that you can let go and form so that you can be in a different way and do different things and form new values.

[00:50:16] There was, I saw something online earlier today that said just because you were taught something as a child and you were raised a certain way, it doesn't mean that it's true.

[00:50:29] Doesn't mean that it works for you as an adult. So that's another thing is just having to dial back some of those things and then begin to build up the person, the desired outcome.

[00:50:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So it's just you have to do quite a lot of do a lot of internal reflection on stuff.

[00:50:57] You know, it's not so much about doing, doing, doing. And it's much about being connected to these kind of stuff inside, being connected to the feeling, connected to the value, connected to the outcome.

[00:51:08] You know, and having a clarity on these things, having these kind of neurological hacks in your hand, knowing, you know, we are working with complex, dynamic, emergent phenomena called life. And there's no right or wrong way to do it. Right.

[00:51:27] And that's, and we will never know. We will never know. We just have to trust that we can create with what comes up. So that allows us to let go of control, let go of this need for things to be in very particular way and freezes in essentially.

[00:51:47] Freezes. Because you are like having more of a freeing attitude. You have an attitude like, you know what? However it is, it doesn't matter. I will do whatever comes up.

[00:51:55] You know, just that middle part is what's hard though. Yes. Being comfortable and confident. You talked about confidence early to be able to get to that other side and say, you know what, this is for me.

[00:52:09] This is who I am. So, you know, you can just say, you know what? I am choosing to be that in me. You know, if choosing to believe so and so.

[00:52:25] You can carve in a new personal narrative. I am done with this. I don't say this about me anymore. I don't describe myself in this way anymore. And I'm choosing to describe myself in this way.

[00:52:40] You stick to it. You stick to it. You know, you see because it's always you can create yourself like whenever we say, oh, I am not so strong like that. Oh, I am weak. I cannot do that.

[00:52:54] You know, it's just all kind of self-defeating talk that we use to kind of really talk ourselves out of things and stuff like that. You definitely can. And especially you can choose to commit.

[00:53:15] That's hard. But I am at the point where committing is getting easier because the outcome is even more desirable. So, but that's the difficult part.

[00:53:31] When it's that hard, you can challenge the mind by asking. So what is it that I can do to make it easy? You see, it's easy to conclude. It's easy to just make like how do you really know it's hard? How do we truly know it's hard?

[00:53:50] You don't really know. You don't really know. But the mind, when it says, man, you know what? That's hard. That's hard. Like what are you talking about? Look at that. So just like that. So you let it go. But you don't question that. You don't question that idea that mind comes up. Oh, that's hard. Why do you think that?

[00:54:08] But you know, the thing is like in the Western world, we've been taught that in order to achieve something, you have to work hard. You know, you work hard.

[00:54:23] You work hard. Things that you initially think hard. So this is something I want. It's going to be hard and it's going to be difficult automatically before you even start planning. You just know that it's going to be difficult. And that's kind of like the mindset that we've had to fight it.

[00:54:42] You start using out on all sorts of opportunities because you are looking for it to be really difficult. So you're not going to probably look for any sort of easy hacks. They're always going to be like, no, it's going to be like that.

[00:54:56] Right. And we've been taught that. We've been taught that well if you get it easy, you won't appreciate it or you won't keep it. So we've been taught that and those things are ingrained in us and it's hard to break that.

[00:55:13] When Rockefeller created the education system, he already told his intention was to create a workforce.

[00:55:21] Yes, absolutely. I was telling the guy at work the other day, I said the funny thing about it is, you know, when you look at the grading system in school, you know, everybody let's say it's 200 kids graduated from that high school class.

[00:55:36] Everybody got their diploma. The valedictorian who had the 4.0 and the C student who had the 2.5, they still got the diploma. And you know, once you get into the real world is like, well, that valedictorian status, that didn't really matter so to speak.

[00:55:51] It was just about the choices that each individual made. Exactly. And also in schools, they never teach you about money. Right. So funny. Right.

[00:56:05] Yeah, like the most important thing you need, like we didn't know about balance check but we didn't learn the basics of money and it was like, you learn that, you learn how to make money, how to hack money. You learn how to make money, how to hack money.

[00:56:22] Right. In a class like that. Like, okay, then they should be teaching you know money is debt. You know, you just cheat the system. You start taking loans out. You don't go and buy. Right.

[00:56:34] You save money. Why would I save money when the bank is already lending the money to my own dollar is being lent to 10 people, then it's just depreciating. Why should I be saving money?

[00:56:45] So it's everything. Everything is like the system is not there to like make everyone work well. Not at all. And also Rockefeller said like he wouldn't ever want to have the 100% money earned from his efforts. He would rather be happy with 1% money earned from everyone's efforts. You see?

[00:57:13] There you go. Man, you said a mouthful on that one. Right. But it shows the attitude, you know. And he said like you want to create a workforce, you know. It's not like thinkers. If everyone starts thinking and in a way think like that's not good.

[00:57:32] So the enterprise, you know. Right. And he put a lot of money, like hundreds of millions of dollars, like, and set up the whole system in place. You know, he was kind of serious about all that. Yes. I'm joking around.

[00:57:47] And you know, I've talked to people and I'm like, you know, and I tell, I've told all my children, you know, life is all about decisions. And you know it's just one decision after the next.

[00:57:57] And you know, it becomes at the end of the day what is more important to you? Is it having $100,000 sitting in the bank or is it, you know, time with your family, time with your children because I've known no one who has died and taken anything with them.

[00:58:15] Even the clothes that you read, you know, in the casket. So it's like people. That's also another thing. For some people, they will be really happy with just taking care of their children and providing for them and giving them a good life.

[00:58:29] But that's not the case for everyone unless that aligns them with their highest value. Right. For someone, family can be their highest value. So providing for family and being there for family is what makes them feel absolutely good about themselves.

[00:58:46] You know, but maybe someone else, that's not the case. They have like another sort of value system. Their family is not at the highest hierarchy. Of course, family might be there, but it is not like probably the highest or very top.

[00:59:02] So then, you know, you then you might just you cannot go into judging them on that. Why is family not enough or something like that? Because it's like these things change and they don't choose people don't choose their values. Right. Right.

[00:59:21] It just kind of happens on its own. Right. And that's kind of like we cannot we have to understand. So just the case with your son, you have to understand that he has his own value system and his values change based on the state that he's in. Right.

[00:59:38] The values are state dependent. So if you're really feeling shitty and I ask you to just go and go, go write down your values.

[00:59:46] And if you go write down, you're going to write a completely different order than if you're going to I'm going to ask you when you're feeling absolutely good about yourself and like feeling livid about life and living and all of that inspired about it.

[01:00:00] And write down your values. It's going to be a completely different thing because values change based on the state. They do. So you're going to have to make sure state that he is in.

[01:00:13] You cannot just simply push on whatever value that you think is the best that you think he should follow. It's not going to work. First, he wants you probably want to find his value. Oh yes, definitely. Definitely.

[01:00:28] And connect with that and then so that he can get it like, okay, I can maybe open up to her and try on this value and see. But first you have to meet them where they are.

[01:00:38] You know, any kind of pushing is not going to like when they are speaking about something you cannot just diminish all of that. But you want to do that. That's not going to help because probably that's aligning with their highest value, but maybe not for you.

[01:00:53] But it's like, what do you want to do that? So you have a sense of judgment right away. I forgot it. I don't want to tell her she's going to bring this negative energy to it or something like that. Right. That makes a lot of sense.

[01:01:13] You kind of want to bring in an attitude of like, you know, non-judgmentality. Whatever, no matter what they bring up, you know, kind of have to have the attitude we are in this together. It's not like you trying to just change him or something, you know? Right.

[01:01:29] People like working together, cooperation. Right. Right. So you can tell like that's what found us together. Like include me in like what is going on. Right. So it's a different attitude. So then you might feel more inclusive of it.

[01:01:46] But if you go in with the attitude like, oh, I know what's right for you and I'm going to just so you tell whatever it is. But at the end, I know what's right for you. That's the attitude that they're going to think about.

[01:01:56] You know, like, you know, like, you know, really like genuinely that simply that you just got to simply make a point anyway to me. You know, it's not listening. Well, I have gained and learned and benefited so much. So much. Well, I wanted to ask a few questions.

[01:02:18] Questions you had on your website. I just want to have a little fun to kind of close out. You know what I'm saying? According to your website, you have fun facts about Sonal, not your typical guru.

[01:02:30] And I was just looking at some of these statements you posted on. I'm like, OK, OK, you can learn a lot about a person. So one of the things it says that you have a sister that's a doctor in the U.S. of a. Yeah. Where is she?

[01:02:47] She lives in Chicago. Yeah. She lives in Chicago. She's a doctor. She so she's practicing there. OK. As general medicine doctor. OK. And it says also you were a master at chess in your high school and nobody could beat. She used to be really good.

[01:03:09] And my teacher, he wanted here kind of really encouraged my parents to kind of take me on a professional level, national level. But that was not really in the plans to kind of divert from high school to go for like specialized just training.

[01:03:26] Like we were never always going to follow the natural academic side, you know, pathway. So I didn't really but I was really good at it.

[01:03:37] But it really came handy because all those skills that I learned in chess that I love the strategies, for example, or the attitude of like planning ahead, you know, or like seeing so many steps ahead or seeing so many possible scenarios. You know, right.

[01:03:56] Not that it could happen because in chess it's all about probabilities and possibilities you're working with. Oh, there's this sort of possible scenario. If I do that, that's that's possible. If I do this, this is possible.

[01:04:08] So it's all about looking at the same possibilities, you know, what can be created with certain possibilities. So I think I took in that sort of mindset. Right. Regarding stuff. Regarding stuff.

[01:04:23] And I kind of like looked at my whole spiritual logic thing and it was like, OK, how do I want this to be different? You know, and I was like, OK, all the usual stuff, it has a lot of practice involved.

[01:04:34] So I want to cut down on that. If people if people don't need a lot of practice to make this work, you know, it's already like way ahead. So then I'm like looking at other stuff. OK, what does what else do they have?

[01:04:44] Don't have they're not like so much active participation with the mind. So I was like, OK, what if I created a system where it's it's not about passive participation, complete active participation to create change in the moment?

[01:05:00] So I was kind of like looking at how what I can do to just kind of stop it or something like that. That's what essentially is going to make it stand out of the rest. Yeah. It was all kind of just sort of maneuvers.

[01:05:15] OK, that also says three more things and then we can we can end. Now it says you love watching American TV shows. What are some of your favorite ones? Well, I kind of watch really once also like superhero ones too,

[01:05:37] because I kind of work with a lot of superhero movies. Psychological things, you know, when you're tired, dangerous. Yeah, this kind of stuff. So then I kind of want to just kind of not having to use my mind at all sometimes.

[01:05:50] You just can't just want to just watch nothing. I don't have to kind of think much about and I don't want to even feel much strong emotions or anything either. So it's kind of going to be even silly, you know,

[01:06:02] because I don't want to be like, you know, I don't want to be like, You know, feel good kind of smells. There's a lot of silliness on TV. I'm going to watch something like that. And I also watch movies, special movies,

[01:06:19] you know, movies that have really good IMDB ratings and like wait for something like that. So yeah, I watch all kind of American movies and I watch a lot of American TV shows. And I don't really watch much of my native language stuff, actually.

[01:06:35] Have you seen reality TV shows like the Kardashians? I'm not into TV shows. I'm not into it. That's not the time for that. That's like they're like doing their real life. I'm like, I have that much time. Right. Right. 30, 40 minutes. I'm like, I don't know.

[01:06:57] I have that much time. Right. 30, 40 minutes of complete like a whole production team kind of worked on the stuff like, okay, that's fine. But this is like they're going to be doing their normal day stuff. You know, and you're kind of sitting here watching that. All right.

[01:07:14] The last thing I wanted to ask you about. Last thing I want to ask you about is says that you have an American wife and you have a three year old son. How did you guys meet? And, you know, it's explaining that. That's the last question.

[01:07:32] I wanted to say something about this hamburger, but you want to throw that in there. I met my wife in India where I grew up. I grew up in a beach town in southern India.

[01:07:45] And my wife, she used to come to a spiritual guru there kind of near in my state. She's a big guru. Her name is Amma. She's known as the hugging saint around the world. So she comes to US also many times. She has a lot of followers.

[01:08:02] So my wife, she used to kind of go see her spend time in the ashram, travel with her through the world tours and stuff like that. And then she came to my place for doing like she was kind of kind of doing like an ecstatic dance,

[01:08:21] not even doing just also conducting and also kind of the one who's guiding and she was the one architect of the process. So it was for mainly people from the ashram. But I was I already had friends from the ashram who I knew from my beach town.

[01:08:40] And they kind of invited me to go to this event because he already we were friends and I was giving spiritual talks and stuff there in my beach town to foreigners, to tourists already. So he was like, just why don't you come over to this event?

[01:08:57] You know, so I didn't know much people, but I went to the event and then I just saw her there, but didn't speak to her or something. So after a few days, we just kind of I saw her on Facebook as a recommendation.

[01:09:11] So I guess Facebook played a role. So you see her in the EMS. There is beauty to all this technological stuff, too. You know, not one thing or another. It's like there's a lot of stuff I make use of technology.

[01:09:28] I learn all the stuff that I'm talking to you guys about through technology. But then there are people who just kind of waste away their life in technology, too. So either technology is good or bad, it's just what you make of it. Right. How you use it.

[01:09:43] I absolutely love technology and the fact that like we're speaking to you now and the you know, to be able to make these contacts. It's amazing. It's amazing. In a way, it is like freaking amazing.

[01:09:57] Like there's no other way we would be able to talk like this, right? Like without the wonders of technology. Exactly. Exactly. So I don't really like information technology, technology for matters something. Me? Absolutely fantastic. Well, I'm glad that we made that tech connection. Yes. That is beautiful.

[01:10:21] Now you on the back porch? Yeah, I'm in the front porch. Beautiful. Wow, that's beautiful. My front porch, I can show you another house. Oh, wow. Wow. We appreciate so much you sharing with us. Yes.

[01:10:41] This is so much like I said, there's so much value in what you've shared with us and we just appreciate it. If the listeners want to learn more, if they want to find you online, where's the best place to go?

[01:10:57] Yeah, the best place to go if they want to really work with me one on one is go to my website www.spiritualogic.com. So people who want to work with me on coaching, they can go and schedule a call there.

[01:11:16] Or if people who are just interested, who want to hear about this idea, they can go to www.masterclass.spiritualogic.com and put in their email and can have access to like a one hour, 20 minutes of a master class on this particular way of philosophy

[01:11:38] that I have created. And also, yeah, I think I am, you know, there is a website called www.podcastgiftnow.com. Yes. So listeners can go to that and if interested, they can watch like eight or nine hours of video footages of talks that I have given professional talks,

[01:12:04] professional recorded video footages of talks that I have given here. Actually today is my talk day, Saturday. Okay. Awesome. Well, I'll make sure and include all of those when we post and we'd like to thank you again. We have thoroughly enjoyed it.

[01:12:22] We wish you the best of days there by the beach. Yes. We're going to wrap up and freeze, but we'll be okay. Yeah. It will be fine. It was 70 degrees during the day and it dropped down to 45 in the evening. That's the warmest we've had in a while.

[01:12:46] It's coming to our summer, you know, heading to our spring months here. And this is like... We are in South Carolina. Yes. South Carolina. Yes. Yeah. My sister lived there before back in the day. Did she? Yeah, in South Carolina. Yeah.

[01:13:06] We're right on the border of South Carolina and Georgia. And we're from Georgia. We moved over here a few years back, but we both still work in Georgia. So we go back and forth, but... Okay. So we go to Georgia. Nowhere near us looks like what you're saying.

[01:13:24] No. We have to get in the car and drive. Here we are, we are like tropical land, I guess. We have to get in the car and drive. We'd have to drive a long way. Three hours to get a smidgen close to what you have.

[01:13:42] But if we want to, we have to take the flight. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can imagine that because the US is big in scope and land. I kind of hear about all the stories about how sometimes people have houses

[01:14:00] and they wouldn't see the next neighbor for so much farther away. Well, we want to thank you. Thank you for your time, brother. I feel like I have gained another brother from around the world. We will be watching you, we will be studying your program.

[01:14:21] We would love to keep in contact with you. Of course, of course. Feel free to reach out, guys, whenever you want. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. You're just really beautiful. I appreciate your time and it was a beautiful creation. It was, it was. Thank you.

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